Posts by Sea Breeze

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SEPTEMBER 2024 Study Watchtower - Warnings for JW's!

by BoogerMan in

what warnings are the cult giving the "sheeple?".

in the study article on page 20 - "are you heeding the warnings?

", jw's are threatened what their fate will be if they don't support the elite, "anointed" jw's, the 33 degree aka, the self-appointed gibbering body - they will be toast very soon:.

Sea Breeze

I have always hated bullys. The Watchtower terrorizes the mentally weak, uneducated and people who would just rather someone else make the big decsions for them.

They are bastards and sons of whores.

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Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

When I got saved, I was not fully on board with the deity of Jesus, Trinity etc. I knew enough though that I had to make an appeal to Jesus, not Jehovah or anyone else. I relied on the scripture where Jesus said that all authority had been given him in heaven and earth. I thought about it and realized that all, meant ALL.

So, when I cried out to Jesus to save me, I believed I was dealing with the highest authority that there was. I didn't reject the deity of Jesus or the Trinity doctrine, I just shelved it for a later time.

My appeal was accepted, I got born again, filled with the Holy Sprit.... the whole nine yards. Within a few months the Spirit dealt with me on this issue and I knew that Jesus was somehow God as well as the son of a peasant girl in a far-flung nowheresville province in the Roman empire. Later, I got more understanding when I realized the scriptures taught that I myself was a tri-partite being.

How much of the right Jesus (or the right resurrection) is enough for Salvation? The Lord will make that determination. I offer my testimony as an example of how I got saved. But, I am confident that if I had not abandoned the idea that Jesus was really Michael the Archangel, I would not have been able to pray to him. Of that I'm sure. Furthermore, I never really bought into the idea that Jesus wasn't in the same body after he was resurrected, even as a JW.

But the 30,000 ft. view is that the enemy is definitely targeting the minimal belief requirements God has stated that is necessary for Salvation. That realization alone should be enough to warrant further reconsideration of JW assumptions (Watchtower definitions).

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Tim. 2: 15 KJV

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Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

Sea Breeze

The scripture you posted, "not everyone who calls me Lord....", was not referring to a 'wrong' Jesus.

It seems to be a perfect fit to me.

It’s not talking about demons here. It is referring to people who thought they had some sort of relationship with Jesus.

Sadly they had to be told that Jesus NEVER knew them…. Not even once. In other words, they are deceived.

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Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

Sea Breeze

Extreme? I don’t want to fool around and find out:

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, …On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me,

Imagine getting married and you agree to sign the marriage license with someone besides your fiancé because you are in a hurry. Then you tell your friends who object that they are being too technical, we’ll just straighten it all out later.

That is contemptable.

I believe a person must make a deal with the right Jesus, not one that the enemy has conjured up.

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Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

Sea Breeze

@FA

Agreed. The enemy has made it complicated on purpose. Why doesn't Watchtower claim that Lazurus wasn't in his real body when he was resurrected? Why don't they go way out of their way to say his body was turned into gases too? Why only Jesus?

Could it be because of what God said here below and the enemy is trying to use this against him (and us)?

Romans 10: 9 - If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

The enemy is not that hard to figure out once you catch his grift.

I think we are all basically on the same page. I believe my points are underappreciated and under-represented though in JW focused apologetics efforts.

The devil is in the details.

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Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

Sea Breeze

Jesus resurrected - Jesus returned to life; no longer dead. Just about every JW I know has literally declared this with their literal mouth.
Jesus didn't get technical about the word resurrected. Back in the flesh, gases, etc. The point is he was non living, and returned to life.

@ Halcon

Romans 10: 9 - If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Getting saved is unbelievably simple. The terms don't give the enemy much to work with. But, he makes the most of what he does have.

The phrase Jesus is Lord is a reference to Jesus' deity. Keep in mind that Jesus predicted that he would raise himself from the dead....WHILE HE WAS DEAD. Scholars confirm that the deity of Jesus was established immediately after the resurrection. And, for good reason. Only God could produce a feat like that.

So when JW's acknowledge Jesus is Lord, they are not referenceing Jesus' deity like scripture does. They teach he is Michael the Archangel. They got the wrong Jesus & the WRONG Lord.

Regarding the other simple requirement for Justification - resurrection: The biblical definition of death is when your soul, body and spirit becoem separated:

Rachel labored in childbirth, and she had hard labor. Now it came to pass, when she was in hard labor, that the midwife said to her, “Do not fear; you will have this son also.” And so it was, as her soul was departing (for she died), - Gen, 35: 16-18

A resurrection occurs when just the opposite happens - the soul, body and spirit are reunited into one being.

The WT is adament that Jesus was NOT in his own body after the cross. THIS IS THE SAME AS PROCLAIMING THAT JESUS WAS NOT RESURRECTED. They can't possibly know this for sure one way or another. So, why the dogmatism?

It only makes sense if WT is trying to circumvent the simplicity of Christ and take people to hell.

Romans 10: 9 - If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

These are NOT technicalities. They are direct assaults on the accessibility of Salvation. And because the WT makes such a big deal out of it, it makes me think that this issue must be one of the primary arguments before God that Satan uses to demand that JW's go to hell just like any other unbeliever.

@FA

it is the heart of the individual that matters

Is this what you think will save you?

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jer. 17:9

What is it exactly that apparently bothers you about accepting a gift (salvation) that you are prevented in contributing toward?

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Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

Sea Breeze

@FA

jesus said the samaritan was closer to truth, it wasn't because of the idols he worshipped, it was because he showed love, (the other guys who pretended to be "clean" just walked on by)

What is the point you are trying to make? Surely you are not suggesting that a person can be good enough to merit having their sins forgiven are you?

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Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

Sea Breeze

@Halcon

sincere jws are still choosing the side of Christ.

There are no scriptures that indicate a person's sincerity is in any way connected to salvation from judgment. That is little more than self idolatry.

If I'm following you correctly, the point of the WT is to prevent witnesses from eating and drinking at the Lord's supper.

Not per se. The point of the Watchtower is to take as many people to hell as possible. Since salvation is open to everyone and is very simple to understand, it requires a LOT of indoctrination to hide how simple it really is to be a member of God's family.

All their elaborate theological schemes are designed to do one thing: camouflage the simplicity of Christ so that people are easier to deceive:

2 Cor. 11: 3 I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent deceived Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus (KJV)

When I left the WT, I wanted nothing to do with theology. But over the next 8 years it bothered me that the scriptures that applied to my well being and salvation seemed to be the same ones that Watchtower was bending over backwards to pervert. It was just too much of a coincidence for me and it piqued my interest.

So, how easy is it to get saved?

Romans 10: 9 - If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Pretty simple. So, what does WT do? They say Jehovah is Lord instead of Jesus, and they claim Jesus was not resurrected but his body was turned into gases. They also claim that Jesus was really Michael the Archangel..... which is preaching "another Jesus".

So, right off the bat the simplicity of Salvation is destroyed by Watchtower for JW's. Here's another:

Mt. 11: 28 - Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Do JW's go to Jesus? No, they go to Jehovah instead. They would NEVER be comfortable praying to Michael. So, another wonderful scripture is negated for JW's by WT.

Then, there's the official offer:
Matt. 26: 27-28 - Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

The biblical term for having your sin debt erased is called Justification.

Romans 5: 1,9 - Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ - being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath (KJV)

So here again, a simple offer to cancel your sin debt (not Adam) is obfuscated in the minds of JW's.
Are you starting to see a pattern? I did. It made me realize I had been in a very carefully orchestrated scheme designed to rob me of what Jesus accomplished for me. Before this, I simply wrote the WT off as baffoons. Whether WT leaders know it or not, That was not the case at all.

Here's the simple condition we are all in:

John 3:18 “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already. KJV

The bread and wine at the Lord's Supper holds no magical power. It is the fact that JW's don't believe Jesus is offering what he says he's offering that is taking them to hell. In other words, after Calvary; whom you believe determines where you will spend eternity since Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, not just believers. The curse of death is just flat out BROKEN..

People are not condemned because that aren't sincere enough. They are not condemned because they don't have all the endtimes events worked out yet.

They are condemned for the same reason Eve was - She didn't believe God.

Whom you believe is the real objective of Watchtower.

Get it?

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Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

Sea Breeze

The anointed vs great crowd (JWs other sheep) JW teaching seems to be a result from the assertion that there will be a future paradise on Earth. Therefore, someone has to inhabit it.

The people who inhabit the Millenium Reighn on earth are survivors of the Great Tribulation.

1. They are not church-age Christians because they are all raptured to heaven by this time

2. They are not tribulation saints because most if not all will have been martyred during the GT.

3. Doing the math in Revelation; It looks like around 2/3 of the worlds population will have been killed during the reign of the Anti-Christ.

4. So, there will still be billions of people after the GT who are sorta standing around wondering what happened. It is at this point that Jesus assumes the throne in Jerusalem and commences with the "Judgment of the Nations" . The Watchtower calls this the Judgment of the sheep and the goats. Some are let in and some are not, based on their treatment of the Jews during the GT.

Mt. 25 - When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The WT teaches that current JW members are in the group of people who will survive Armageddon. (Remember they backed up Christ's return to 19144) They also deny the rapture. Then they try to confuse the issue by claiming that modern Christians don't need to be part of the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (See Mt. 26: 27-28)

And this is what it is all about. It is an excuse to reject the NC every Lord's Supper so that JW's CANNOT be saved by virture of Christ's blood.... which is the offer on the table for church-age believers.

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Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

Sea Breeze

@Boogerman

Certainly ALL believers are Christ's brothers. But when Jesus makes how they are treated the determination of whether of not they are let in to the Kingdom or sent to hell, it makes more sense to mean his literal countrymen because of the events that has just transpired.

During the GT, not all Israel are unbelievers. The real 144K (male jewish virgins) will certainly be messanic Christians and certainly there will not be any Israeli ubelievers after the GT when they are facing Jesus in the flesh.